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(07-20-2020, 11:40 PM)phxsparks Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 11:10 PM)Aquarius Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 10:36 PM)phxsparks Wrote: [ -> ]I personally think that the idea that we humans on earth are the only intelligent life in the universe is retarded.  Narcissistic to say the least.

I'm also wondering of we have inter-dimensional visitors.  This would explain some things.  

If there are other dimensions especially parallel dimensions it would explain a few things.

What if when our physical body dies, our soul, spirit and energy goes to another dimension? 


Then we get recycled back to the old dimension that we were in, and we start over?  When I was very young I had many past life dreams.

Have any of our friends read "The Urantia Book"?  I have a hard back copy from the 1970's.  It is quite thought provoking.

I did not mean to be this lengthy!

Heartflowers

I totally believe that when our physical body dies, our soul (spirit and energy) goes to another dimension.  

I've had many past life dreams too.  I really do NOT want to come back here again!  

If you read my last post, you can see my opinions on what I believe.

@Aquarius, is it possible that this dimension we are in, is actually the hell that that the bible describes?

If this is hell, it must mean that I was naughty in a previous life.

I've actually thought that might be!  (This dimension is hell.)  
For quite awhile I thought it might be Purgatory, but over the years -- hearing about the HORRIBLE suffering that some endure (political prisoners, etc.) --- I've changed my thinking to wondering if this is indeed hell.

Then add to that, the horror stories we've learned about just in the past two or three years -- the child trafficking and all the horrors accompanying that !!  

I've come to the conclusion (99%) that this is indeed a prison planet, and that we get recycled over and over again until we find a way to escape it.  

I've also read (and choose to believe) that the reason many good people are here now is to HELP in any way we can.  
I know there are many others who believe that too.
Think about this. Fiber Optics was "invented" in the Mid '50's - you have to have pure glass (no bubbles, or difference in glass media) to create it.
Until this point - "pure" glass was not possible.
Connecting this Fiber Optic system was the next challenge then transmitting data using light over this system - which they made happen in 1960 !
(07-20-2020, 03:33 PM)Apache54 Wrote: [ -> ]Great post for a really good discussion,

I believe in Aliens even though I have never knowingly met one, although i have been suspicious a time or two of some people i met.

What i do know is there is tons of evidence that supports Aliens and or dimension travelers exist.  There is also evidence that says there are many species of Aliens and other things that we have been told were myths.

I have given a little thought to this topic about is there a connection between the growing insanity among our species with regards to illogical thinking processes by left leaning people. I am using the term people VERY loosely as i am NOT sure if they are still human as there actions say no, but there physical looks say yes.

The tech advances of these Aliens is far more then we know and so why would they want to change us?  That gives in to some VERY scary stuff as IF they wanted to annihilate us it would have happened long ago.

That brings us to the idea talked about only in small scale discussions as it is not wanted to be heard by many.  We may just be a experiment and are being tested and changed as they see fit.  This does have some merit as our DNA shows we were changed/modified. 

I think this thread may turn out to have some really good minds discussing this. I am looking forward to hear others thoughts.
Many years ago I read where some scientists were saying that there's no doubt that we could have naturally evolved from apes since orangutans for example, have something like 98-99% identical DNA to humans* .... but, there is a point in that evolution where the change occurred ten times faster that cannot be explained. The so-called 'missing link'.

The Old Testament has some very curious verses that point, to my mind, to space travelers. The OT calls them the Nephillim.
Look at the verse "I am a jealous God. You will worship no other God but me." There is only one Creator. Since God knows this why would He/She feel threatened by non-existent 'other Gods'. It would not matter what we call the Divine nor what aspect of the Almighty that one casts ones focus because all and any worship would be directed at the one and only God.

The Almighty is 'perfect, beyond error' so therefore could not possibility exhibit such a gross human failing as jealousy. Either the Divine is perfect or He/She is as fucked up as the rest of us.
These petty human emotions as ascribed by the OT that God is 'jealous, angry, vain, vengeful' is simply not possible. Surely they must apply to advanced beings from somewhere else.

Back in the 60s, missionaries discovered tribes in Papua New Guinea who had never seen white man before. Because they flew in a Cessna, could produce fire with matches and could capture their image with a camera, they considered these missionaries 'Gods'. [Then they ate them Ham ]  

Back in the OT days man was rather ignorant. Imagine how they would have viewed space travelers with technology that's way more advanced than what we have today. Erik von Daniken was correct; they would have certainly called their spaceships Chariots of the Gods.
I've got a couple of books by Zecharia Sitchin that I haven't got around to reading but from what I do know of his theories I think that he's close to the truth.

*While on the train home many years ago a group of Down Syndrome adults alighted. At the time I had been reading a bit on the similarities in DNA between humans and apes.
While observing these DS people, something was tugging at my brain. There was something very familiar that I could not put my finger on.
Then it dawned on me; the way this girl was pursing her upper lip reminded me of a similar mannerism that can be seen in orangutans.
Looking closer I also realised that those with Down Syndrome often have eyes that are set in a dish-like socket/surrounds [Sorry, not sure how to describe it] that is reminiscent of an orangutan.

Wondering if there was any connection, I then remembered that most humans have 23 sets of chromosomes. Orangutans have 24.
Those with DS have an "extra full or partial copy of chromosome 21". So in-other-words, those with DS have 24 chromosomes.
It seems to me that that distinction is more than just a coincidence and may be a part of the missing puzzle.
Is Down Syndrome a throwback from genetic engineering? 1dunno1

[For the record; the last time that I raised this subject on another forum I received howls of outrage. It's not my intention to cause any offence, just having a discussion amongst adults]
@Deplorably-Nameless
I tagged you to read something @"DrEvil" posted. #6898
(07-20-2020, 11:48 PM)Aquarius Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 11:40 PM)phxsparks Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 11:10 PM)Aquarius Wrote: [ -> ]I totally believe that when our physical body dies, our soul (spirit and energy) goes to another dimension.  

I've had many past life dreams too.  I really do NOT want to come back here again!  

If you read my last post, you can see my opinions on what I believe.

@Aquarius, is it possible that this dimension we are in, is actually the hell that that the bible describes?

If this is hell, it must mean that I was naughty in a previous life.

I've actually thought that might be!  (This dimension is hell.)  
For quite awhile I thought it might be Purgatory, but over the years -- hearing about the HORRIBLE suffering that some endure (political prisoners, etc.) --- I've changed my thinking to wondering if this is indeed hell.

Then add to that, the horror stories we've learned about just in the past two or three years -- the child trafficking and all the horrors accompanying that !!  

I've come to the conclusion (99%) that this is indeed a prison planet, and that we get recycled over and over again until we find a way to escape it.  

I've also read (and choose to believe) that the reason many good people are here now is to HELP in any way we can.  
I know there are many others who believe that too.

I don't agree that this is hell, but some of us are put through hell in this life! The bible says it's all luck, which card you draw! Don't remember where that was, but I think this is true!
(07-21-2020, 12:17 AM)bigD111 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 11:48 PM)Aquarius Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 11:40 PM)phxsparks Wrote: [ -> ]@Aquarius, is it possible that this dimension we are in, is actually the hell that that the bible describes?

If this is hell, it must mean that I was naughty in a previous life.

I've actually thought that might be!  (This dimension is hell.)  
For quite awhile I thought it might be Purgatory, but over the years -- hearing about the HORRIBLE suffering that some endure (political prisoners, etc.) --- I've changed my thinking to wondering if this is indeed hell.

Then add to that, the horror stories we've learned about just in the past two or three years -- the child trafficking and all the horrors accompanying that !!  

I've come to the conclusion (99%) that this is indeed a prison planet, and that we get recycled over and over again until we find a way to escape it.  

I've also read (and choose to believe) that the reason many good people are here now is to HELP in any way we can.  
I know there are many others who believe that too.

I don't agree that this is hell,  but some of us are put through hell in this life!  The bible says it's all luck, which card you draw!  Don't remember where that was,  but I think this is true!

Plus, sometimes we create our own hell or heaven.

I know this isn’t Hell. Hell doesn’t have sunshine, fresh air, smiles, fresh rainfall, green pastures, flowers, fresh fruit, beautiful trees, bubbling streams, blue oceans, babies, puppies and kitties, kisses...but neither is it heaven.

I think, it may be a transitional place. Both good and bad.

There are good people here with us. I take comfort in the fact that more good people exist vs evil ones. The thing is they just so happen to be in positions of power currently...when that ends, the balance will shift back.

Heartflowers
Some things I hear about sound like pure hell, but my life is beautiful and wonderful, filled with expressions of love from human, animal, and planet.
Because of that this does not seem like hell, other than this is all lovely and one day I shall be moving on. That will contain an element of sadness.

I do know some humans really suffer.
I guess this is not MY hell.
(07-20-2020, 10:47 PM)Grendelmort Wrote: [ -> ]Think about the "jump" in technology in the 1940's !
We went from radio tubes to transistors 
Night vision from ambient light was "invented"
Television was coming unto its own
Velcro was "invented"
The first real computer was "invented"

Sure this was the "WWII" era and inventions were made - but a lot of inventions came "out of the blue".

And almost all of the most important things happened in 1947.
(07-21-2020, 12:17 AM)bigD111 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 11:48 PM)Aquarius Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-20-2020, 11:40 PM)phxsparks Wrote: [ -> ]@Aquarius, is it possible that this dimension we are in, is actually the hell that that the bible describes?

If this is hell, it must mean that I was naughty in a previous life.

I've actually thought that might be!  (This dimension is hell.)  
For quite awhile I thought it might be Purgatory, but over the years -- hearing about the HORRIBLE suffering that some endure (political prisoners, etc.) --- I've changed my thinking to wondering if this is indeed hell.

Then add to that, the horror stories we've learned about just in the past two or three years -- the child trafficking and all the horrors accompanying that !!  

I've come to the conclusion (99%) that this is indeed a prison planet, and that we get recycled over and over again until we find a way to escape it.  

I've also read (and choose to believe) that the reason many good people are here now is to HELP in any way we can.  
I know there are many others who believe that too.

I don't agree that this is hell,  but some of us are put through hell in this life!  The bible says it's all luck, which card you draw!  Don't remember where that was,  but I think this is true!

I don't think it is "luck" or happenstance.  
I think we have certain lessons to learn, for our soul growth, and we are put into a life where we will learn those things.  

Possibly, for those who never ever escape this prison planet, that is hell.  
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(07-20-2020, 06:32 PM)Aquarius Wrote: [ -> ]
Demons need bodies to inhabit.  
And imo there has been a huge uptick in the number of possessed people.

I attribute that to several things:

1.  A falling away from Christianity (where we learn how to "put on the whole armor of God";

2.  A huge increase in the use of drugs (both "legal" and illegal).
Anything that interferes with mental clarity opens the door to demon possession.  

3.  A huge increase in immigrants from other lands, nations that are into voodoo, etc.
imo, they bring demons with them.  

4.  Troops returning from wars in nations that are not Christian. 
Every one of them should go through an exorcism upon returning home.

5.  And then of course there is cern, and we have no idea what sort of portals have been opened up from that.  

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I agree with ALL of those points. #5, I posted a year or so ago about Anthony Patch. You guys can look him up, he is educated, credible in my book. Also a devout Christian, which shouldn't turn anyone off of the following videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OYf87iMxD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlqZlQySO9s

I think there were more interviews, but hard to pull them up. Several posters were familiar with him, a gave  great respect to him.

Okay, I found this one, I guess you can say Part 3, same interviewer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK147OJO2k8&list=PLKipdniiKnUJx7RHoN9gNo6N4ygcMb_XA&index=13
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