The Balkans - FSU - Former Eastern Bloc Discussion
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(03-13-2021, 07:56 PM)snowglobe Wrote:
(03-12-2021, 07:05 PM)PickleSnout Wrote:
snowglobe Wrote:Yup, that is me.  Chuckle

I did a lot of studying before making that decision.  Heartflowers

To me the orthodox crucifix is the most beautiful and rich. If I had to choose one, It would be difficult.
I love the artwork, and the silver and gold combined. Hard for me to see the Lord in his moment of greatest suffering for our sakes, but the art is stunning on the reverse as well. Makes it bearable if wearing that token is important for someone.

Indeed they are. As far as I know these crosses are mostly given as gifts.

When I asked about some of the lavish things it was explained to me that many things are reflective or meant to represent the future kingdom. Not where we are struggling now. Many of the churches are quaint and boring on the outside but when you enter it is like you are in a surreal place.

I walked into a building that is in San Francisco that I told was a cathedral. I did a double take. I guessed that perhaps it had been built during the depression because it was not much to look at. I was shocked when I got inside. 

When I was first checking things out I was told "Study the writings from the times when the crosses were wood and the priests had hearts of gold." There is a remarkable amount of writings that have made it down to us from the ascetics in the first centuries. There was nothing fancy about them.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Virgin_Cathedral

The Holy Virgin Cathedral, also known as Joy of All Who Sorrow, is a Russian Orthodox cathedral in the Richmond District of San Francisco. It is the largest of the six cathedrals of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia,[1] which has over 400 parishes worldwide.

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(03-13-2021, 10:56 PM)Verity Wrote:
(03-13-2021, 07:56 PM)snowglobe Wrote:
(03-12-2021, 07:05 PM)PickleSnout Wrote: To me the orthodox crucifix is the most beautiful and rich. If I had to choose one, It would be difficult.
I love the artwork, and the silver and gold combined. Hard for me to see the Lord in his moment of greatest suffering for our sakes, but the art is stunning on the reverse as well. Makes it bearable if wearing that token is important for someone.

Indeed they are. As far as I know these crosses are mostly given as gifts.

When I asked about some of the lavish things it was explained to me that many things are reflective or meant to represent the future kingdom. Not where we are struggling now. Many of the churches are quaint and boring on the outside but when you enter it is like you are in a surreal place.

I walked into a building that is in San Francisco that I told was a cathedral. I did a double take. I guessed that perhaps it had been built during the depression because it was not much to look at. I was shocked when I got inside. 

When I was first checking things out I was told "Study the writings from the times when the crosses were wood and the priests had hearts of gold." There is a remarkable amount of writings that have made it down to us from the ascetics in the first centuries. There was nothing fancy about them.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Virgin_Cathedral

The Holy Virgin Cathedral, also known as Joy of All Who Sorrow, is a Russian Orthodox cathedral in the Richmond District of San Francisco. It is the largest of the six cathedrals of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia,[1] which has over 400 parishes worldwide.

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Yes, that is the one.  Heartflowers

The other one that I went to when in California was in Santa Rosa but it is not a Cathedral.

https://saintseraphim.com/our-parish/

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Recent info on Crimea with a definite western slant. Take with a grain of salt! It does potentially add some fuel to the Syria to Europe pipeline theory.??? Could the objective of the west be to supply Ukraine with Syrian oil to remove them from the Russian nipple?  @Hickory

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Looks like they are still trying to escalate the Ukraine Russia conflict. The video below appears to me to show mostly training maneuvers and I have yet to find any recent vids on YT & RT that give the Russian perspective. Wag the Dog?

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Excellent thread, @=42  Heartflowers
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(03-12-2021, 03:10 PM)snowglobe Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 08:53 PM)=42 Wrote:
@snowglobe The first video above describes the situation more as a War within the Orthodox Church than against the Orthodox Church. It also says there's a similar "schism" taking place in Ukraine against the Russian Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church remains, they just want to remove the control and influence of the Serbians (in Kosovo) & the Russians (in Ukraine).

According to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

Kosovo is 88% ethnic Albanian and 7% ethnic Serbian. 95.6% Muslim and 3.7% Christian, which breaks down further to 2.2% Catholic and 1.5% Eastern Orthodox.

Is it a war on Christianity?  1dunno1  Is is just an extension of ethnic conflict?   1dunno1   Is there outside influence?    1dunno1

Over all, in the former Yugoslavia, it was the Serbians that had the ethnic majority at 36.3% and wielded the most political power. I don't want to get into who's the good guy & who's the bad guy, but without a doubt, it was the Serbians that wanted to maintain the status quo in Yugoslavia and wanted to prevent the other ethnic & religious groups from establishing independence.

Most situations are very difficult (if not impossible) to understand from the outside. As an outsider I have looked into certain things to discover certain things for myself and that is all that I have to share.

Let's take an imaginary country as an example. The country has a long deep history where the people have worked hard to live full and purposeful lives and to have respect for their neighbors but preserve their country and heritage for their children.

The neighboring country also has a long deep history and heritage but has a different belief system than them, but what they do in their own country is their own business and both countries can live in peace.

There are a couple of small problems though. The neighbor believes in having multiple wives and having as many children as possible from each of them. It is expected that a plot of land will be left for each of the children to begin to farm for their own family. Before many generations pass they are starting to get a little crowded. Another little issue with the neighbors belief system is that they believe that they are to possess the entire world in the name of their god and to kill or enslave anyone who does not serve their god.

The neighbors with their many children are able to put together armies in an alarming rate because by their belief system each man should have at least two women pregnant at a time.

It starts small. Children are sent from the second country to help with the harvest in the first country and are paid with crops to help feed their large family back home. Little by little a few of them move into the first country to open a shop or to be more available for work. Soon they move in their cousins and uncles who are followed by many pregnant women. Before much time passes they form their own communities and then want to declare an area as their territory. Next they want their independents in the country that they are now usurping and enlarging their home country by doing so.

Before long the first country realizes what is happening and do not want their country divided up and their children's inheritance being given to immigrants. They begin to fight back.

The next thing you know the global media starts saying that the original citizens of the country are oppressing the usurpers. In the end NATO waited until the highest Christian holiday to send in the bombers. Clinton led the bombing of Yugoslavia on Easter Sunday.

This is not the only country that this has happened in. Now we watch as this happens in Europe, Canada and the United States.  Heartflowers

Great description and explanation.  Heartflowers
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(03-24-2021, 10:31 AM)=42 Wrote: Looks like they are still trying to escalate the Ukraine Russia conflict. The video below appears to me to show mostly training maneuvers and I have yet to find any recent vids on YT & RT that give the Russian perspective. Wag the Dog?



I personally think there's a lot of Wag The Dog going on at the moment.  Heartflowers
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I've been watching this for about a week now and waiting for a US media report.

[url=https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/russia-mounting-massive-show-force-russian-occupied-crimea-ukraine-video/]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04...ine-video/


What's happened is Ukraine cut off the water supply to Crimea which was deliberately provocative since 80% of the Crimean population is Ethnic Russian. The reason Putin annexed it in the first place is because Ukraine was threatening them with genocide. Naturally the US and frankly Western media never told you that. But that's what happened.

And that was because the neocons led by Vicki Nuland, Robert Kagan's wife, was US Ambassador to Ukraine under Obama. Ukraine is the ancient homeland of the Khazarian people, which is who the neocons are, which is why they had a clever scheme for that. And the reason why the Muslim Obama let them do that I suspect is because the neocons who incidentally are the powerful Jewish forces in the US political and defence establishments, the ones who wrote the "seven countries in seven years" memorandum, those neocons. So those neocons said, I suspect, to Obama, you let us do Ukraine our way, and we'll let you do what you want with Iran. I'm interpolating but that hypothesis fits the optics of how things rolled in those two places. That's also I suspect why Joe was put in charge of Ukraine, he'd just let the neocons have a free reign while he looted the USAID funds in his usual style.

Anyway, fast forward to today and the neocons under Joebama are back in charge and in a few short months we now have a critical situation. Watch for Joebama neocon's next move by sending Nato forces into Ukraine.

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I've been posting some Ukraine vs. Russia stuff here.

https://www.beyond-the-fringe.com/showthread.php?tid=10494&highlight=fsu

Things have been heating up there for awhile. The Russians "capturing" Crimea was as simple as going outside and changing the flag. The Russian's influence on Crimea predates the Soviet Union and it is vital to their Black Sea Fleet. They would never allow it to be "taken over" by a hostile Ukraine.

The bridge over the Kerch Strait has been complete for some time now and I believe that pipelines for water are under construction.

The Ukrainians are unfortunately being used as a proxy to poke the bear by the EU & US with Soros organizing the color revolution that overthrew the elected Ukrainian government and soured its relationship with Russia.

Definitely worth keeping an eye on. If there is any reporting on it at all in the US it is obviously slanted.

Fake media hasn't told anyone that Crimea was always part of ancient Russia but Stalin the Georgian gifted it to Ukraine in I think 1936.

Just like Putin shut down Georgia when they tried it on and just like he shut down the Wahabbist insurgency in Chechnya, he's shutting down this Ukrainian movement which the neocons are behind.

The neocons want the West to become involved, this is why they're doing what they're doing.
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Another bit of history that gives some context to Crimea is the Crimean War which took place shortly before the US Civil War.

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