Who Were the Elohim? Who Was Yahweh? What is the Real Bible Story?

[Oldcynic]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

[Munchaab]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

Thank you - chastisement was placement not content oriented - hopefully those who find this topic in it's own thread distasteful for them will just avoid it - otherwise I hope a civilised approach can be realised in discussion here...

[ELIAKIM]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

The name “Elokim”, then, in reference to G-d, connotes His complete mastership and control over everything. It is the name of G-d which most closely corresponds with what might be referred to in English as “The Omnipotent”. Therefore, this is the name of G-d used throughout the Torah’s description of Creation. In all cases of ‘G-d created’, ‘G-d said’, ‘G-d saw’, ‘G-d called’ etc., the word for G-d is “Elokim”. (Interestingly, the four letter Name which connotes G-d’s actual interaction with Creation, is used only later during the description of His creating Mankind.)
https://ohr.edu/4514

Why is G‑d Called "Elokim"?

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/638043/jewish/Why-is-Gd-Called-Elokim.htm

Elokim (אֶלהים) is one of the Names of God.

In Kabbalah, the Name Elokim is generally associated with the sefirot of gevurah (the power which complements chesed, whose Name Kel is composed of the first two letters of Elokim).

In the idiom of the sages, God's Name Elokim corresponds to His "property of strict judgment." This is the only Name explicit in the Torah 's initial account of Creation. Elokim = 86 = "hateva" ("nature"). Elokim creates "nature" through the act of tzimtzum (apparent withdrawal or contraction of God's infinite light).

In particular, the Name Elokim manifests itself at three points of the sefirotic configuration: At the level of binah, the four letter Tetragrammaton is punctuated with the vowels of Elokim and enunciated as Elokim. Here God is referred to as Elokim Chayim ("the living God"), the ultimate source of all lifeforce which flows (as blood) through reality. At this level, even apparent contradictory opinions of our sages are understood as being "these and these the words of the living God." God, in His strict judgment of Creation, corresponds to the manifestation of Elokim at the level of gevurah. God, as the inner essence of nature and its laws, is Elokim at the level of malchut.
https://www.inner.org/names/nameloki.htm

[Munchaab]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

The name “Elokim”, then, in reference to G-d, connotes His complete mastership and control over everything. It is the name of G-d which most closely corresponds with what might be referred to in English as “The Omnipotent”. Therefore, this is the name of G-d used throughout the Torah’s description of Creation. In all cases of ‘G-d created’, ‘G-d said’, ‘G-d saw’, ‘G-d called’ etc., the word for G-d is “Elokim”. (Interestingly, the four letter Name which connotes G-d’s actual interaction with Creation, is used only later during the description of His creating Mankind.)
https://ohr.edu/4514

Why is G‑d Called "Elokim"?

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/638043/jewish/Why-is-Gd-Called-Elokim.htm

Elokim (אֶלהים) is one of the Names of God.

In Kabbalah, the Name Elokim is generally associated with the sefirot of gevurah (the power which complements chesed, whose Name Kel is composed of the first two letters of Elokim).

In the idiom of the sages, God's Name Elokim corresponds to His "property of strict judgment." This is the only Name explicit in the Torah 's initial account of Creation. Elokim = 86 = "hateva" ("nature"). Elokim creates "nature" through the act of tzimtzum (apparent withdrawal or contraction of God's infinite light).

In particular, the Name Elokim manifests itself at three points of the sefirotic configuration: At the level of binah, the four letter Tetragrammaton is punctuated with the vowels of Elokim and enunciated as Elokim. Here God is referred to as Elokim Chayim ("the living God"), the ultimate source of all lifeforce which flows (as blood) through reality. At this level, even apparent contradictory opinions of our sages are understood as being "these and these the words of the living God." God, in His strict judgment of Creation, corresponds to the manifestation of Elokim at the level of gevurah. God, as the inner essence of nature and its laws, is Elokim at the level of malchut.
https://www.inner.org/names/nameloki.htm

From my understanding - El means "God" - Eloha = (Definitive singular) "The God" and Elohim (Elokim - if you prefer that spelling) = (Definitive Plural) "The Gods"...

Nephilim are equally PLURAL...

Aloha Akbar - does not mean "God is great" - as it strictly is "God is Greatest" - it's a statement of plural "The greatest God"...

People think Abrahamic religions are Monotheistic at root, when they are only such in practice...

People think Pagan (Not talking Roman/Greek Pagan but) Celtic worshippers of the Land/Mother Earth (Gaia) and all her many manifestations as Polytheists - when in fact they only had ONE god but many names for the manifestations of still water, running water, a tree, a meadow, a rock etc - all ONE IN THE SAME GAIA - bit like the Farther, Son and Holy Spirit, being aspects of ONE entity...

Where you're born, where you grow up, what you are taught, what you learn for yourself - ALL determine which religion you will or will not believe in - it should not be allowed to be used by the elite to divide us as humans in a world where we want unity and they want our destruction...

WE ARE THE CARBON THEY MAKE BACK-ROOM DEALS TO PROMISE TO ELIMINATE...

[ELIAKIM]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

The name “Elokim”, then, in reference to G-d, connotes His complete mastership and control over everything. It is the name of G-d which most closely corresponds with what might be referred to in English as “The Omnipotent”. Therefore, this is the name of G-d used throughout the Torah’s description of Creation. In all cases of ‘G-d created’, ‘G-d said’, ‘G-d saw’, ‘G-d called’ etc., the word for G-d is “Elokim”. (Interestingly, the four letter Name which connotes G-d’s actual interaction with Creation, is used only later during the description of His creating Mankind.)
https://ohr.edu/4514

Why is G‑d Called "Elokim"?

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/638043/jewish/Why-is-Gd-Called-Elokim.htm

Elokim (אֶלהים) is one of the Names of God.

In Kabbalah, the Name Elokim is generally associated with the sefirot of gevurah (the power which complements chesed, whose Name Kel is composed of the first two letters of Elokim).

In the idiom of the sages, God's Name Elokim corresponds to His "property of strict judgment." This is the only Name explicit in the Torah 's initial account of Creation. Elokim = 86 = "hateva" ("nature"). Elokim creates "nature" through the act of tzimtzum (apparent withdrawal or contraction of God's infinite light).

In particular, the Name Elokim manifests itself at three points of the sefirotic configuration: At the level of binah, the four letter Tetragrammaton is punctuated with the vowels of Elokim and enunciated as Elokim. Here God is referred to as Elokim Chayim ("the living God"), the ultimate source of all lifeforce which flows (as blood) through reality. At this level, even apparent contradictory opinions of our sages are understood as being "these and these the words of the living God." God, in His strict judgment of Creation, corresponds to the manifestation of Elokim at the level of gevurah. God, as the inner essence of nature and its laws, is Elokim at the level of malchut.
https://www.inner.org/names/nameloki.htm

From my understanding - El means "God" - Eloha = (Definitive singular) "The God" and Elohim (Elokim - if you prefer that spelling) = (Definitive Plural) "The Gods"...

Naphilim are equally PLURAL...

Aloha Akbar - does not mean "God is great" - as it strictly is "God is Greatest" - it's a statement of plural "The greatest God"...

People think Abrahamic religions are Monotheistic at root, when they are only such in practice...

People think Pagan (Not talking Roman/Greek Pagan but) Celtic worshippers of the Land/Mother Earth (Gaia) and all her many manifestations as Polytheists - when in fact they only had ONE god but many names for the manifestations of still water, running water, a tree, a meadow, a rock etc - all ONE IN  THE SAME GAIA - bit like the Farther, Son and Holy Spirit, being aspects of ONE entity...

Where you're born, where you grow up, what you are taught, what you learn for yourself - ALL determine which religion you will or will not believe in - it should not be allowed to be used by the elite to divide us as humans in a world where we want unity and they want our destruction...

WE ARE THE CARBON THEY MAKE BACK-ROOM DEALS TO PROMISE TO ELIMINATE...

Read the links @Munchaab it is not what I prefer, it is what is written in scripture.

[Arkan_Ted]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

Thank you - chastisement was placement not content oriented - hopefully those who find this topic in it's own thread distasteful for them will just avoid it - otherwise I hope a civilised approach can be realised in discussion here...

   

No, this is a valid topic if you have studied. It's seems to create uneasiness when first delving into the possibilities. There are similar or parallel historical stories within ancient texts throughout major ancient cultures akin to the great flood which we all know happened due to all the geological evidence and sunken structure up to 3000ft below sea level. To be honest it was very hard for me to approach it until I opened my mind a bit. It took a lot of small bites a long time ago that just built on top of each other as I learned. Good post. This is going to be interesting.

[Munchaab]

The name “Elokim”, then, in reference to G-d, connotes His complete mastership and control over everything. It is the name of G-d which most closely corresponds with what might be referred to in English as “The Omnipotent”. Therefore, this is the name of G-d used throughout the Torah’s description of Creation. In all cases of ‘G-d created’, ‘G-d said’, ‘G-d saw’, ‘G-d called’ etc., the word for G-d is “Elokim”. (Interestingly, the four letter Name which connotes G-d’s actual interaction with Creation, is used only later during the description of His creating Mankind.)
https://ohr.edu/4514

Why is G‑d Called "Elokim"?

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/638043/jewish/Why-is-Gd-Called-Elokim.htm

Elokim (אֶלהים) is one of the Names of God.

In Kabbalah, the Name Elokim is generally associated with the sefirot of gevurah (the power which complements chesed, whose Name Kel is composed of the first two letters of Elokim).

In the idiom of the sages, God's Name Elokim corresponds to His "property of strict judgment." This is the only Name explicit in the Torah 's initial account of Creation. Elokim = 86 = "hateva" ("nature"). Elokim creates "nature" through the act of tzimtzum (apparent withdrawal or contraction of God's infinite light).

In particular, the Name Elokim manifests itself at three points of the sefirotic configuration: At the level of binah, the four letter Tetragrammaton is punctuated with the vowels of Elokim and enunciated as Elokim. Here God is referred to as Elokim Chayim ("the living God"), the ultimate source of all lifeforce which flows (as blood) through reality. At this level, even apparent contradictory opinions of our sages are understood as being "these and these the words of the living God." God, in His strict judgment of Creation, corresponds to the manifestation of Elokim at the level of gevurah. God, as the inner essence of nature and its laws, is Elokim at the level of malchut.
https://www.inner.org/names/nameloki.htm

From my understanding - El means "God" - Eloha = (Definitive singular) "The God" and Elohim (Elokim - if you prefer that spelling) = (Definitive Plural) "The Gods"...

Naphilim are equally PLURAL...

Aloha Akbar - does not mean "God is great" - as it strictly is "God is Greatest" - it's a statement of plural "The greatest God"...

People think Abrahamic religions are Monotheistic at root, when they are only such in practice...

People think Pagan (Not talking Roman/Greek Pagan but) Celtic worshippers of the Land/Mother Earth (Gaia) and all her many manifestations as Polytheists - when in fact they only had ONE god but many names for the manifestations of still water, running water, a tree, a meadow, a rock etc - all ONE IN  THE SAME GAIA - bit like the Farther, Son and Holy Spirit, being aspects of ONE entity...

Where you're born, where you grow up, what you are taught, what you learn for yourself - ALL determine which religion you will or will not believe in - it should not be allowed to be used by the elite to divide us as humans in a world where we want unity and they want our destruction...

WE ARE THE CARBON THEY MAKE BACK-ROOM DEALS TO PROMISE TO ELIMINATE...

Read the links @Munchaab it is not what I prefer, it is what is written in scripture.

I guess I was suggesting it was your proffered spelling as it's your user name - but was not singling you out - it (from the links) is obviously wide spread spelling - just not what I've read in any bible I've read - makes no odds really as Elohim is essentially pronounce Elokim if you do the Hebrew h sound properly...

Bit like saying Llandudno - and pronouncing "Lan-Dud-No" - rather than "HKlan - Did - Noo"...

[Munchaab]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

Thank you - chastisement was placement not content oriented - hopefully those who find this topic in it's own thread distasteful for them will just avoid it - otherwise I hope a civilised approach can be realised in discussion here...

   

No, this is a valid topic if you have studied. It's seems to create uneasiness when first delving into the possibilities. There are similar or parallel historical stories within ancient texts throughout major ancient cultures akin to the great flood which we all know happened due to all the geological evidence and sunken structure up to 3000ft below sea level. To be honest it was very hard for me to approach it until I opened my mind a bit. It took a lot of small bites a long time ago that just built on top of each other as I learned. Good post. This is going to be interesting.

I do hope so - and a fairly short read is the Sumerian (6000BC about) "Epic of Gilgamesh" - STUNNING similarities to what came after...

[Oldcynic]

@BABY GOD

I saw you were chastised and it prompted me to start this thread.  Let's see where it goes.

Languages through the ages have twisted and camouflaged so many events recorded in ancient history, it's difficult to comprehend WHAT was being written.

Paul Wallis and his "The Fifth Kind" use the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to try and decipher what the ancient biblical authors were attempting to describe and record.

It could very well be that there were numerous Old Testament "Gods" and that they were physical alien ETs.  Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/ALmXC9oGFSw

This information will never turn me away from the true Holy Lord Creator or His representatives, our Christ Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses or Mohammad for that matter.
Our Creator God has been sending representatives to visit us for eons.  Bless His name.

Thank you - chastisement was placement not content oriented - hopefully those who find this topic in it's own thread distasteful for them will just avoid it - otherwise I hope a civilised approach can be realised in discussion here...

   

Thank you, too.  I cannot imagine any intelligent mind finding original translations and objective interpretations to be "distasteful."  To each his own I guess.

By the bye, "in it's own" should be in its own.  No apostrophe.  The lack of an apostrophe  makes it possessive.  It's is a contraction for it is.  See what translation does?

[=42]

As a non religious person, I do find historical accounts of religions as they evolved and morphed though the ages intriguing!

Joseph Campbell is the authority on the subject IMO, but here is a YT channel that is mostly focused on ancient history...